投稿者 佐藤雅彦 日時 2001 年 9 月 20 日 12:44:34:
回答先: CNNの映像について 投稿者 islands 日時 2001 年 9 月 20 日 05:37:08:
●islandsさん、CNN映像についての疑惑を指摘していた先日の記事について、更なるリサーチと新たな情報を提示していただき、ありがとうございます。
まず、islands さんのご投稿を再録します。
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戦争・国際情勢 投稿NO:530 2001/9/20 05:37:08
投稿者: islands
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題 名: CNNの映像について
佐藤さんの元記事は
http://www.ainfos.ca/A-Infos/ainfos05916.html
でアクセスできました．私は文中の「CNNのビデオ映像は1991年のものだった」というのに驚いて情報源をたどってみたのですが，元ネタになったのは，Marcio A. V. de Calvalho というカンピーナス州立大（UNICAMP）の学生という人の，indymedia への投稿でした．
ところがこのカルヴァーリョ氏は「UNICAMPの教師が講義で言った」こととして書いているのですが，大騒ぎになって，のちにあるビデオ・アクティヴィストが確認したところ，「その教師にようやく会って確かめたら，彼女は1991年の映像をもっていないことを認めた」と書いてきました．
Paper Tiger TV もこの情報をそのまま流したのですが，訂正して謝罪しています．投稿の原文もここで読めます．
http://www.papertiger.org/index.php?name=pagetool_news&news_id=40
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http://www.papertiger.org/index.php?name=pagetool_news&news_id=40
News
False CNN Story retracted
【CNNニュースについての誤報を撤回します】
2001-09-18
This story did not originate at PTTV and has since been retracted.
【この誤報の発信源はPTTVではありません。すでに撤回しました。】
This post originated on the IMC newswire and was shared on the Paper Tiger Collective list. From there it may have been forwarded to some of you. The story did not originate from Paper Tiger, it was just something we were looking into - and we neither confirmed or denied it at the time. We apologize if you received the story as a forwarded message from someone on our list and thought it to be true. In times like this, misinformation spreads like a virus and we must all be careful of the information we disseminate (can someone please tell FOX TV that).
【この情報掲示はIMCニューズワイヤが発信源で、Paper Tiger Collective listを通じて広く知らされるに至ったものです。そこから他の人々にも広まったことは充分に考えられます。この情報は我々が関心を持って探していたたぐいのものであり、紹介した当時は内容が確証されてもいませんでしたが、否定されてもいませんでした。あなたがこの情報を、我々のリストに参加している人から転送されて知り、これを真実だと考えていたのでしたらお詫びします。こうした御時勢なので、誤情報はウイルスのように拡散しています。ですから我々は自分たちが発信した情報について注意深い態度で臨むことが肝心です。（だれかこれをFOX・TVにも伝えてください。）】
sincerely,
Michael
retraction and original message below,
source: http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=64366&group=webcast
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From:
Dear all,
Last September 13, I've sent an email to a social theory list in which I provided some information about the falsity of the images of Palestinian celebration for the terrorism in USA, information given to me by a teacher. I spent the last day looking for that teacher, and, unfortunately, when I found her, she DENIED having access to such images.
【先日、９月１３日に、私は或る社会理論討論のメーリングリストに一通のメールを投稿し、「米国で起きたテロに対するパレスチナのお祝い騒ぎ」映像についてのウソに関して、若干の情報を提供しました。この情報は、私がある教師から得たものです。昨日、一日がかりでその教師を捜し出し、ようやく会うことが出来たのですが、なんたることか、彼女にあらためてこの情報について問いただしたところ、彼女自身はそうした画像を見たことがない。と答えたのです。】
She said that she was sure she had seen the images back in 1991, but SHE CAN'T PROVE. She was not willing to provide further information, DENYING what she had said before to a full class of students.
【この教師は、あの映像を１９９１年に確かに見た覚えがある、と言ったのですが、しかしそれが事実かどうかを立証できない、と答えたのです。それ以上の情報について彼女は提出を拒み、先日、学生全員のまえで公言した内容を拒否したのです。】
I sincerely apologize for this uncertain information; unfortunately I can't prove the information contained in my last post; IT'S ONLY A CONJECTURE, THAT THOSE IMAGES OF PALESTINIANS CELEBRATING IS FALSE. I bought the idea myself, and reproduced it for you because of the importance of it, in the case it was to be confirmed.
【未確認の情報を皆さんに提示したことを、私は心からお詫びします。残念ながら、今のところ私には先日投稿した「これら“対米テロを祝福するパレスチナ人”の画像はインチキという反論は、単なる臆断にすぎない」という主張を情報面から立証することができません。私は、このCNN陰謀説をじかに聞いて、事態の重要性からこれを皆さんにお知らせしたのですが、本当は裏付けを得てからお知らせすべきだったと思います。】
Whatever news I get I'll pass to you.
【今後も何か情報を入手次第、皆さんにお伝えします。】
Best regards
Marcio A. V. Carvalho State University of Campinas - Brazil
【ブラジル、カンピーナス州立大学、マルシウ・A・V・カルヴァーリュ】
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"PAPUREC" wrote in message news: <3ba141a2$0$3574$... ：
Subject: CNN: Manipuating Images?
【CNNは映像操作を行なったのか？】
Independent Media Center
CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you (english) Wednesday 12 Sep 2001 author: Marcio 【CNNが「祝福するパレスチナ民衆」のニュース映像を使って視聴者を操作している：９月１２日：投稿者マルシウ】
I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south.
【ここ南米から、皆さんにちょっとした陰謀説を紹介したいと思います。】
There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN.
【マスコミ、とりわけCNNの世論工作力について指摘しておくことは重要です。】
All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera.
【全世界の人々は、たった３つか４つの超巨大ニュース配給会社によって支配されています。そのうちの１つが、皆さんご存じのCNNです。皆さんも、この会社が配信しているニュース映像をご覧になっているでしょう。（私も見てますが。） ここで私が特に気になったのは、ある特定の映像群でした。すなわち、パレスチナ民衆が米国爆撃を祝って街頭に飛び出し、ケーキを食べたり、カメラに向かって戯[おど]けている映像でした。】
Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue.
【そうです！ これらの映像は１９９１年当時に撮られたものだったのです！ これらはクウェート侵攻に祝福しているパレスチナ民衆の映像だったのです！ （訳注：クウェート侵攻は90年に起き、91年にはペルシャ湾岸戦争が起きているので、この記述はカルヴァーリュ氏の勘違いだと思われる。） CNNのような超巨大な報道権力が、これほど重大な問題を論じる際に現実からズレた映像を使うなんて、許すわけには行きません。】
A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape.
【ここブラジルでは、私の教師が１９９１年当時に録画したビデオテープを持っていて、そこに非常にそっくりの映像が収まっていたとのこと。そこで彼（訳注：上記の謝罪文では教師は女ということになっていたのにここでは男とは不可解！）はCNNとブラジルの主要TVネットワーク「グローブゥ」および新聞各社に抗議のメールを送ったそうですが、私の考えでは、メディアのこうした行為は「世論に対する犯罪」だと思います。どなたか、この種の映像ファイルにアクセスした人がいたら、調べてみてください。私自身は、問題のテープを実際に入手すべく努力してみます。】
But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those.
【しかし今はとりあえず、こうした映像の衝撃的影響力について考えてみるべきだと思います。アメリカ国民は傷つき、情緒的にも弱くなっています。ですからこの種の映像を放送することによって、パレスチナ民衆に対する憤怒を誘発させる恐れは極めて高いのです。こうした映像を見せるのは、まったく無責任な行為です。】
Finally, I'd like to say that we all regret and condemn all that has happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point here. I really don't want to be misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had shown no respect for other countries in the last decades. In the 60s and 70s they had halped lots of military coups throughout the world (including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush Father, the Washington Consensus have been demolishing the bases of our economies, making us more and more dependant (and, many of us, prehocupied with this situation).
【最後に。先日起きたすべてのことに、我々は皆、深い悲しみと怒りを感じています。しかしNikos氏がすでにこの場で指摘していますが、我々はダマされるわけには行かないのです。米国は過去数十年にわたって世界の他の国々になんら敬意を払ってこなかった。これが現実です。６０〜７０年代に、米国は世界中で（ここブラジルでも１９６４年に）軍事クーデターに力を貸してきたのです。その後も、レーガンや親父ブッシュやワシントンの世論が、我々の経済拠点を粉砕し続け、我々の対米従属をますます強めてきたのです。（我々の多くは、けっきょくこうした状況に縋[すが]って生きねばならない状態におかれています。）】
Your current president quickly made things worse: Kioto Protocol, Star Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain forest for pieces of external debt, tha abandonment of the position of third party in negotiations between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those mistakes in US external politics made your country more hatred than before, and, of course, more vulnerable.
【現職の米国大統領は、軽率にも、事態をますます悪化させてしまったのです。京都議定書問題しかり、スターウォーズ計画の再着手しかり、コロンビア計画しかり、熱帯雨林と対外債務との交換政策しかり、アイルランドと英国や、イスラエルパレスチナとの和平プロセスで果たしてきた中立的立場の放棄しかり、です。米国が外交政策で行なっているこうした過ちのすべてが、かの国を、これまでにも増して世界から嫌われる原因を作っているのであり、その結果当然のことながら、米国をかつてなく脆弱にしているのです。】
Listen, I'm NOT justifying the terrorist actions that took place in your country; but it seems to me that, if your leaders had come along another path of thoughts and actions, you wouldn't be suffering what you are now.
【私は、あなた方の国で実行されたテロリストの行動を正当化しているのではありませんよ。そうではなく、あなた方の指導者たちが今とはちがう考え方や行動をとっていたなら、あなた方が現在のような被害に遭わずに済んでいたはずだ、と言いたいのです。】
Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for the best of all of us
【我々みんなに最善の結果がもたらされるような、問題の完全解決が行なわれることを願って。敬白。】
Marcio A. V. Carvalho State University of Campinas - Brazil
【ブラジル、カンピーナス州立大学、マルシウ・A・V・カルヴァーリュ】
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● ……と、以上が「islands」さんのご指摘されたサイトと、CNN情報操作説のニュースソースである「マルシウ」という人物の最初の（と思われる）投稿と、その後の釈明文でした。
この問題を明確化しておきたいので、マルシウの陰謀説を紹介したニュース記事を、私が「空耳の丘」に紹介した箇所も、あらためて引用しておきます。
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http://asyura.com/sora/war1/msg/243.html
戦争・国際情勢 投稿NO:243 2001/9/15 10:03:15
投稿者: 佐藤雅彦
e-mail:
題 名: 世界貿易センタービル攻撃計画を、金貸し屋たちは事前に警告を受けていたのに、議会は知らされていなかった！
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The news will never report this!!
> From: www.indymedia.orgm and: www.counterpunch.org
FINANCIERS WARNED! Congress left in the dark about WTC foreknowledge
CNN's videotape of Palestinians supposedly dancing in the streets of a West Bank town. CounterPuncher Marcio A.V. Carvalho at the state university of Campinas in Brazil tells us that he and his colleagues had compared this tape with one from 1991 showing Palestinian cheering, and found them to be identical. [a claim--though Canadian news footage shows mourning Arabs; U.S. media shows happy, celebrating Arabs. You put the pieces together on who is the enemy: THE U.S CORPORATE MEDIA!]
【CNNは「今回のテロ事件に狂喜乱舞するヨルダン川西岸地区のパレスチナ人たち」というビデオ映像を放映していたが、ブラジルのカンピナス州立大学のマルチウ・カルヴァーリュが同僚とともに、この映像を1991年当時のパレスチナ人を写した映像テープと比較検討してみたところ、まったく同一の映像が使われていたことが判明した。［カナダのニュース報道ではテロ事件を悲しむアラブ人を映していたのに、米国のメディアは“大喜びして祝うアラブ人”を映しだしている。］】
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● ……さて、このマルシウ説を紹介したのちに、米国では当然、CNN陰謀説の真偽をめぐって賛否両論が出てきました。 私が陰謀系のMLで入手していた関連情報を、ここで時系列に沿って再録しておきます。
当然、マルシウ説への批判も出てきました。しかし、今回の事件のCNN報道については、ツインタワーから上がった煙が“ヤリを持った悪魔”の肖像ソックリに見える、という指摘が出て、それを宗教的に解釈する意見が出る反面、「そうした映像の“描き変え”を行なって放送し、悪魔と見まがうようなサブリミナル刺激をわざわざ挿入した可能性もある」という陰謀説を言う人もいて、こちらの評価もまだ決着していません。
そういうわけで、私としてはしばらく様子を見ようと考えていました。 その矢先に「マルシウ」の謝罪というのが登場し、今回、islandsさんに教えてもらえたので、感謝しています。
ただし、この騒動については、「マルシウの謝罪文」が出た現在の段階でも、デマだったと断定できないと考えています。
たとえば１８日に私は「Paulo Rebelo」（パウル・ヘベール）による反論メールを受けましたが、このなかで「Paulo Rebelo」は次のようなことを書いているのです――「こいつはブラジルのカンピーナス州立大学のマルシウ・A・V・カルヴァーリュと名乗っていたが、そんな奴は実在していない。我々はこのメッセージを見て、彼とその大学にコンタクトをとろうと頑張ったが、彼は実在していなかったし、こいつが本当にブラジル人なのか誰も知らないのである。ブラジルの政府も市民も、こうした書き込みは支持しない」。……となると、謝罪した「マルシウ」とは何者なのでしょうか？
ちなみに「ヘベール」氏はこんなコメントも出していますね――「CNNがウソをついていないことを立証するなんて、そんなことを続けるのはバカげていると思う。第一、ウソなんかついていないのだから」。 なんだかCNNの信者か、当局者のような言い分です……。
この阿修羅投稿の末尾に、今回の「マルシウ」の投稿に始まり、反論や反・反論が出て、マルシウが謝罪して落着するまでの投稿が出ているサイトをコピペしておきますが、そこに出ている「Marv Albert」という人物の「カルヴェーリュのウソについて」という反論文も、米国のマスコミ大本営――とりわけ衆愚メディアとして評価が低い『USAトゥデイ』――のメッセージを真に受けて書いているので、反論にはなっていません。
結局、国家の危機において、メディアがご都合主義的な「ストーリー」を垂れ流すのは避けがたい現実なのですから、今回の件は、「マルシウの謝罪」というのが出てきたにもかかわらず、問題の所在がヤブの中にあるといった状況です。「マルシウ」を調べたが実在しなかった、と断言したカキコは何だったのでしょうか？ にもかかわらず「マルシウ」が登場して（匿名やり放題のメアドつきで）「謝罪」したのはどういうことか？ この騒動自体が、一種の情報戦争的な様相を呈してしまったのですから、もうちょっと観察を続ける必要があるでしょう。
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【これは、上記に紹介済みの、マルシウによる“最初”の投稿です。】
----- Original Message ----- Article by: Marcio Reference at indymedia website: Article: There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue. A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. Your current president quickly made things worse: Kioto Protocol, Star Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain forest for pieces of external debt, tha abandonment of the position of third party in negotiations between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those mistakes in US external politics made your country more hatred than before, and, of course, more vulnerable. Listen, I'm NOT justifying the terrorist actions that took place in your country; but it seems to me that, if your leaders had come along another path of thoughts and actions, you wouldn't be suffering what you are now. Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for the best of Marcio A. V. Carvalho ■■■■@■■■.■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ●●９月１５日０１時２０分●● Aftershocks by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St.Clair CNN's videotape of Palestinians supposedly dancing in the streets of a West Bank town. CounterPuncher Marcio A.V. Carvalho at the state university of Campinas in Brazil tells us that he and his colleagues had compared this tape with one from 1991 showing Palestinian cheering, and found them to be identical. ●●９月１７日２２時４６分受信●● 9/16/2001 I don't know if you've run across this story or not---but it is rumored that the alleged "footage" of Palestinians dancing in the streets after the attacks is ACTUALLY images taken during the 1991 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. http://www.counterpunch.org/carvalho.html Best, Cletus September 14, 2001 Carvalho on CNN Footage There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the powerof CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape. But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. Finally, I'd like to say that we all regret and condemn all that has happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point here. I really don't want to be misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had shown no respect for other countries in the last decades. In the 60s and 70s they had halped lots of military coups throughout the world (including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush Father, the Washington Consensus have been demolishing the bases of our economies, making us more and more dependant (and, many of us, prehocupied with this situation). Your current president quickly made things worse: Kioto Protocol, Star Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain forest for pieces of external debt, tha abandonment of the position of third party in negotiations between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those mistakes in US external politics made your country more hatred than before, and, of course, more vulnerable. Listen, I'm NOT justifying the terrorist actions that took place in your country; but it seems to me that, if your leaders had come along another path of thoughts and actions, you wouldn't be suffering what you are now. Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for the best of all of us Marcio A. V. Carvalho State University of Campinas - Brazil ----- Original Message ----- Greetings, It is definitely not true that CNN shot the images in 1991. Those images are not from 1991, those images are real and from now. Just pay attention to some details and you'll notice. There's the Pepsi machine, there're those new cars which didn't exist back in 1991. Four days ago, someone posted a message at Indymedia.org -- and possibly some other international sites -- telling about this "conspiracy". This guy, named Marcio A. V. Carvalho from State University of Campinas, in Brazil, simply does not exis . We've been trying to contact him and the University since the message came up. He doesn't exist and nobody even knows if this fellow is truly Brazilian. Our government and citizens don't support this kind of BS. I'm afraid it's nonsense to keep trying to prove that CNN didn't lie. It didn't. Regards, --- FYI: This mail sent by Mario Profaca is certified Virus Free. ■■■■@■■■.■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ●●９月２０日０５時２５分●● CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous' CNN says accusations it faked footage of Palestinians celebrating the US terror attacks are baseless. Palestinian journalists and officials reportedly claim the footage dates back to 1991, but was passed off as being current. CNN says a Reuters camera crew filmed the celebrations in East Jerusalem hours after the hijackings. It says the allegations stem from an email by a Brazilian student. The Universad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil (Unicamp) says one of its students sent the email after apparently receiving information from a professor at another institution. Marcio AV Carvalho later realised the claims were false and sent out a correction, says Unicamp. A spokesman said: "The original message, however, was distributed all over the world, often with many distortions." A CNN spokesman told Ananova: "CNN rejects as baseless and ridiculous an allegation being circulated by email and the internet claiming that CNN televised 10-year-old videotape to illustrate Palestinians celebrating in the wake of the horrific September 11 tragedies in the US. "CNN applauds Unicamp for setting the record straight. The videotape in question was shot by a Reuters TV camera crew on September 11." According to the Islamic Republic News Agency, the Palestinian Journalists' Association has condemned CNN for "journalistic treachery". Story filed: 18:52 Wednesday 19th September 2001 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines ●本日（９月２０日）現在のIndymediaサイトに掲示された http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=64366&group=webcast webcast news Carvalho apologizes for report on CNN: Manipulating Images. (english) Date: 14 Sep 2001 12:40:01 -0700 Dear all, Last September 13, I've sent an email to a social theory list in which I provided some information about the falsity of the images of Palestinian celebration for the terrorism in USA, information given to me by a teacher. I spent the last day looking for that teacher, and, unfortunately, when I found her, she DENIED having access to such images. She said that she was sure she had seen the images back in 1991, but SHE CAN'T PROVE. She was not willing to provide further information, DENYING what she had said before to a full class of students. I sincerely apologize for this uncertain information; unfortunately I can't prove the information contained in my last post; IT'S ONLY A CONJECTURE, THAT THOSE IMAGES OF PALESTINIANS CELEBRATING IS FALSE. I bought the idea myself, and reproduced it for you because of the importance of it, in the case it was to be confirmed. Whatever news I get I'll pass to you. Best regards Marcio A. V. Carvalho ----------------------------------------------------------- "PAPUREC" ------------------------------------------------------- Third, the same news organizations which aired the footage of Palestinians celebrating (including firing automatic weapons into the air, endangering their own people) also showed the footage of Yassir Arafat conveying his horror at the attacks, and dutifully reported that he donated blood himself to aid the victims here in the U.S. WHY WOULD OUR NEWS ORGANIZATIONS HAVE REPORTED THESE EVENTS, IF WE WANTED TO DISTORT THE TRUTH, AS CARVALHO SUGGESTS? I feel truly sorry for misguided idiots like Carvalho. In addition to blaming U.S. economic "imperialism" for his country's ills, instead of on the decades of mismanagement by Brazil's own officials, he has also contributed egregious misinformation to the international public in this time of crisis. He should be ashamed of himself! His lies not only are an insult to US. journalists, but to the intelligence of the U.S. domestic public. comment on a comment (english) It's true, this journalist's assumption that these images were old was somewhat idiotic. But on the other hand, how do we explain why the media does have a clear ideological slant (suggesting otherwise is true idiocy). Conspiracy theories are not only epistemologically ungrounded (actually more interesting on psychanalytic grounds), but also are ultimately rooted in the same desire to demonize others as the efforts of the media and the president. By claiming that there is a group masterminding the media coverage, we assume these people have malevolent interests seeking only the war, etc. We need some kind of critical mechanism for understanding that the people in the positions of responsibility who effect political and social change under the aegis of a certain ideological position are not evil or mean-hearted or ultimately hateful, but simply understanding international and domestic events and politics in the only way that they are capable. I.e. fatalism. Now more than ever, fatalism could be attractive to you too. As you can tell, I'm torn by my position. But I obviously think that we cannot demonize people, but we also cannot sustain a basic naivete about the entrenchment of media production (really more honest rather than "coverage") in a deeply ideological ground. By the way, the suggestion that Arafat was giving blood, while possibly true, stands in the face of simple regulations that prohibit even Americans who have spent time outside of the US in the past three years from donating blood. I'm sure that Arafat's would have never gotten to the US. ----------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to thank Marcio for coming forward with this apology and admission. It's been causing a lot of trouble on Indymedia since the bombing, and was rather irresponsible to present in the way he did. I'm glad he came out and said he didn't have access to the images, and couldn't prove his claims - hopefully, that will put this issue to rest. Why was this report picked up so heavily? Why is there so little trust in the mainstream media? Look up "GM NBC truck tests" on Google, or FAIR's articles on John Stossel's "special reports", or compare the initial reporting of the Gothenburg shootings with the later STV special report that contradicted a lot of what both sides - police and protesters, but especially the police that most media listened to - claimed about the protests. It's things like that, alongside the hundreds of other failures of journalists and editors to maintain integrity and a respect for the facts above all else, that led some to give credence to Marcio's story without real proof. I'm happy Marcio came out; I actually expected to never hear anything again on the subject. Give him some credit for owning up to his mistakes, as this will hopefully put a stake in the "fake footage" story. A few Palestinians celebrated, the PA tried to confiscate the footage, but don't forget how many more Palestinians - indeed, most Muslims - condemned the attacks and mourn alongside their fellow humans. platdragon.cjb.net Why was this report picked up so heavily? Why is there so little trust in the mainstream media? Look up "GM NBC truck tests" on Google, or FAIR's articles on John Stossel's "special reports", or compare the initial reporting of the Gothenburg shootings with the later STV special report that contradicted a lot of what both sides - police and protesters, but especially the police that most media listened to - claimed about the protests. It's things like that, alongside the hundreds of other failures of journalists and editors to maintain integrity and a respect for the facts above all else, that led some to give credence to Marcio's story without real proof. I'm happy Marcio came out; I actually expected to never hear anything again on the subject. Give him some credit for owning up to his mistakes, as this will hopefully put a stake in the "fake footage" story. A few Palestinians celebrated, the PA tried to confiscate the footage, but don't forget how many more Palestinians - indeed, most Muslims - condemned the attacks and mourn alongside their fellow humans. platdragon.cjb.net
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> Story from the www.indymedia.org:8081 newswire
Wednesday 12 Sep 2001
http://www.indymedia.org:8081//front.php3?article_id=63288
I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south.
and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera.
It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those.
Finally, I'd like to say that we all regret and condemn all that has happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point here. I really don't want to be misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had shown no respect for other countries in the last decades. In the 60s and 70s they had halped lots of military coups throughout the world (including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush Father, the Washington Consensus have been demolishing the bases of our economies, making us more and more dependant (and, many of us, prehocupied with this situation).
all of us
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Hi Robert,
distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces for the camera.
unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an issue.
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【これはCNN情報操作説への反論】
From: "Paulo Rebelo"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: CNN's denial of reusing footage
【CNNが１９９１年当時の映像を流していたなんて、絶対にウソである。あの映像はホンモノだし、現在の映像だ。目を凝らして映像を見てみるがいい。ペプシの自販機もあるし、９１年当時に存在していなかった新型車も映ってるぞ。】
【４日前にインディーメディア――や恐らくいくつかの国際的なサイト――に、何者かが一通のメッセージを投稿してこの“陰謀”を吹聴した。こいつはブラジルのカンピーナス州立大学のマルシウ・A・V・カルヴァーリュと名乗っていたが、そんな奴は実在していない。我々はこのメッセージを見て、彼とその大学にコンタクトをとろうと頑張ったが、彼は実在していなかったし、こいつが本当にブラジル人なのか誰も知らないのである。ブラジルの政府も市民も、こうした書き込みは支持しない。】
【「CNNがウソをついていない」ことを立証するなんて、そんなことを続けるのはバカげていると思う。第一、ウソなんかついていないのだから。】
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CNN映像操作疑惑についての投稿のやりとりです
by Marcio A. V. Carvalho via Newsgroup 7:06am Sun Sep 16 '01 (Modified on 11:09am Sun Sep 16 '01)
Marcio A. V. Carvalho of State University of Campinas - Brazil: "I sincerely apologize for this uncertain information; unfortunately I can't prove the information contained in my last post; IT'S ONLY A CONJECTURE, THAT THOSE IMAGES OF PALESTINIANS CELEBRATING IS FALSE. I bought the idea myself, and reproduced it for you because of the importance of it, in the case it was to be confirmed."
From: marcio.carv@省略
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Subject: Re: PAPUREC FWD > "CNN: Manipulating Images ?"
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State University of Campinas - Brazil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:48 PM
> > Subject: CNN: Manipuating Images?
> >
> >
> > > Independent Media Center
> > > http://www.indymedia.org:8081
> > >
> > > CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you
> > > (english) Wednesday 12 Sep 2001
> > > author: Marcio
> > >
> > > I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south.
> > >
> > > There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power
> > > of CNN.
> > >
> > > All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors,
> > > and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess
> all
> of
> > > you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company.
In
> > > particular, one set of images called my attencion: the
Palestinians
> > > celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making
> > > funny faces for the camera.
> > >
> > > Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of
> > > Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply
> > > unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses
images
> > > which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious
an
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in
> 1991,
> with
> > > the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major
> > > TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify
> > > as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to
> > > this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to
> 'put
> my
> > > hands' on a copy of this tape.
> > >
> > > But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people
> > > is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high
> > > possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against
Palestinians.
> > > It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those.
> > >
> > > Finally, I'd like to say that we all regret and condemn all that has
> > > happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point here. I really don't
> > > want to be misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had
> > > shown no respect for other countries in the last decades. In the
> 60s
> and
> > > 70s they had halped lots of military coups throughout the world
> > > (including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush Father, the
> > > Washington Consensus have been demolishing the bases of our economies,
> > > making us more and more dependant (and, many of us, prehocupied
with
> > > this situation).
> > >
> > > Your current president quickly made things worse: Kioto Protocol, Star
> > > Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain forest for pieces of external
> > > debt, tha abandonment of the position of third party in
negotiations
> > > between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those
> > > mistakes in US external politics made your country more hatred than
> > > before, and, of course, more vulnerable.
> > >
> > > Listen, I'm NOT justifying the terrorist actions that took place > in
> your
> > > country; but it seems to me that, if your leaders had come along another
> > > path of thoughts and actions, you wouldn't be suffering what you are
> > > now.
> > >
> > > Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for the
> best
> of
> > > all of us
> > >
> > > Marcio A. V. Carvalho
> > > State University of Campinas - Brazil
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More on Carvalho's lies... (english)
by Marv Albert 9:00am Sun Sep 16 '01
【カルヴェーリュのウソについて】
First, a clarification: the footage of Palestinians celebrating the murderous attack on U.S. targets was actually filmed by an Associated Press cameraman, not CNN (the footage aired on virtually all U.S. news outlets).
【第一に明言しておきたいのは、“米国の標的に対する殺人攻撃を祝福するパレスチナ民衆”のニュース映像は、AP通信のあるカメラマンが撮影したもので、CNNが撮ったものではない。（この映像は事実上すべての米国の報道機関によって放映された。）】
Second, it should be noted that Ahmed Abdel Rahman, the Palestinian Authority's Cabinet Chairman, threatened the life of the reporter, saying that Palestinian authorities "cannot guarantee" his survival if the footage aired. USA Today's Matthew Kalman reported that Rahman extended his threat to other news agencies as well. These threats delayed the release of similar footage in Ramallah, Bethlehem, and other Palestinian towns.
【第二に、パレスチナ自治政府の首相級の人物であるアーメド・アブデル・ラーマンが、もしこの映像が放映されたらパレスチナ当局は記者の生命を「保証できない」と脅しをかけてきた。『USAトゥデイ』紙のマチュー・カールマン記者は、ラーマンが他のニュース通信社にまでこうした恐喝を行なっている、と伝えている。ラマラーやベツレヘムやその他のパレスチナの都市でもでもこれに似た映像が撮れたのだが、こうした恐喝によって発表が遅れてしまった。】
【第三に、“米国攻撃を祝福している（これには自動小銃を空に向けて撃ち、他の人々に危険を及ぼしている人々も映っている）パレスチナ民衆”の映像を流した報道機関は、】アラファトが攻撃への嘆きを発表して米国の犠牲者にために献血しようと呼びかけている映像も報じている。要するに、カルヴァーリュ氏の説のように、我々（訳注：Marv Albertは現場の報道関係者でなくマスコミ報道のみを材料にして反論しているように見えるのでこの「我々」が何を指しているか判然としない）が真実をねじ曲げたいなら、我々の報道機関がこうした（アラファトに同情的な）ニュースなど伝える必要がないはずなのに、伝えている。これは矛盾しているではないか？】
【カルヴァーリュのように騙される馬鹿には、お気の毒としか言いようがない。おまけにテメエの国の欠陥を、米国の経済的「帝国主義」のせいにするとは何ごとか。ブラジル自体の役人が何十年も誤った国家運営をしてきたから自業自得なのに、それを責任転嫁するだけでとどまらず、この男はこの危機のさなかに世界の人々に言語道断な誤情報を流すとは。】
【恥を知れ！ こいつのウソは、米国のジャーナリストたちを侮辱しただけでなく、米国市民の知能を侮辱しているのだ。】
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by auv 10:30am Sun Sep 16 '01
Thank you (english)
by Mark Bialkowski 10:51am Sun Sep 16 '01
Thank you (english)
by Mark Bialkowski 11:09am Sun Sep 16 '01
mbialkowski@home.com
I'd like to thank Marcio for coming forward with this apology and admission. It's been causing a lot of trouble on Indymedia since the bombing, and was rather irresponsible to present in the way he did. I'm glad he came out and said he didn't have access to the images, and couldn't prove his claims - hopefully, that will put this issue to rest.
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