投稿者 佐藤雅彦 日時 2001 年 11 月 18 日 16:58:50:
●すでに古い情報になってしまいましたが、９・１１米国事変の直後に
『ニューズウェーク』の記者が、80年代後半にパキスタン統合軍事
諜報部（ISI）の指導者だったハッミード・グル退役将軍にインタビュー
を行ない、イスラエル犯行説を聞き出していました。
●そのインタビューの記録と、それを報じたMSNBC・ニューズウィークの
記事、そしてパキスタンの潜在敵国であるインドの新聞が載せた批判的
な記事を紹介しておきます。
●グル前将軍の背景は、下記のリンク先を読むと更に理解が進むと思います。
【1】■ISI オサマ・ビン・ラディンの陰の支援者
http://www.tai-tero.com/overview/issue2.html
【2】■イスラム・コラム No.6 山本芳幸 「No Win Situation」
http://www.i-nexus.org/gazette/kabul/islamc/ic06.html
山本芳幸（在イスラマバード, UN Coordinator's Office for
Afghanistan / Programme Manager; 国連アフガニスタン
調整官事務所 / プログラム・マネージャー）
●グル前将軍政治的には、パキスタン内部のイスラム原理主義に近く、
ウサマ・ビン・ラディンやアラブ系ゲリラ戦士集団を（カシミール紛争の
担い手として）支援してきたのでしょう。したがって「イスラエル犯行説」も
そういう政治的思惑から語られている可能性は当然あるわけですが、
だからといってデマだと決めつけるわけにはいきません。グル将軍は、
アフガン戦争を戦うなかでCIAやモサドの活動を深く知ることができた
でしょうから、それ相応の情報価値があると考えられます。
……とりあえず、こうした告発が行なわれたという事実は、我々の
記憶にとどめておく必要があると思います。
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【UPI通信のアルノー・ドゥ・ボルシュガラーヴが行なった
グル前将軍とのインタビューの記録】
http://www.ar.utexas.edu/Staff/White/wwnl.pakistan.html
WORLDWIDE NEWSLINK
Interview with Gen. Hameed Gul
United Press International | September 26, 2001
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan -- The retired Pakistani general who is closest to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden contends the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington were the work of renegade U.S. Air Force elements working with the Israelis. Gen. Hameed Gul led Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Gul serves as an adviser to Pakistan's extremist religious political parties, which oppose their government's decision to support the United States in any action against Afghanistan's Taliban regime. Gul contends bin Laden had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, saying instead that they were the work of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service -- a version of events that has been endorsed by Islamic fundamentalist clerics and is widely accepted by Muslims throughout the Arab world.
Here is the transcript of the exclusive interview Gul gave to Arnaud de Borchgrave, United Press International editor at large:
De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11?
Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.
Q: So you're already convinced bin Laden didn't do it?
A: I know bin Laden and his associates. I've been with them here, in Europe and the Middle East. They are graduates of the best universities and are highly intelligent with impressive degrees and speak impeccable English. These are people who have rediscovered fundamental Islamic values. Many come from the Gulf countries where ruling royal families have generated hatred by the way they flout divine law, wasting billions on gratifying their whims, jetting around in large private jets by themselves, and sailing the Mediterranean in big private boats for weeks on end. Osama's best recruits come from feudal areas that are U.S. protectorates and where millions of poor people are seeking human dignity. I have even visited a Christian convent school in Murree, 60 miles from here, where my 13-year-old daughter is studying. The young girls there have told me Osama is their hero. Osama's followers identify with Mujahideen freedom fighters wherever they are defending Islam and its values.
Q: So what makes you think Osama wasn't behind Sept. 11?
A: From a cave inside a mountain or a peasant's hovel? Let's be serious. Osama inspires countless millions by standing up for Islam against American and Israeli imperialism. He doesn't have the means for such a sophisticated operation.
Q: Why Mossad?
A: Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime? The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination?
Q: At this point, someone might be asking what you've been smoking. What is Israel's interest in such a monstrous plot, which, of course, no one believes except Islamist extremists who concocted this piece of disinformation in the first place, presumably to detract from the real culprits?
A: Jews never agreed to Bush 41 (George H.W. Bush, the 41st president) or 43 (his son George W. Bush, the 43rd president). They made sure Bush senior didn't get a second term. His land-for-peace pressure in Palestine didn't suit Israel. They were also against the young Bush because he was considered too close to oil interests and the Gulf countries. Bush senior and Jim Baker had raised $150 million for Bush junior, much of it from Mideast sources or their American go-betweens. Bush 41 and Baker, as private citizens, had also facilitated the new strategic relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran. I have this from sources in both countries. So clearly the prospect of a Bush 43 was a potential danger to Israel.
Jews were stunned by the way Bush stole the election in Florida. They had put big money on Al Gore. Israel has given its imperialist guardian parent opportunities to turn disaster into a pretext for imposing an all-encompassing military, political and economic agenda to further the cause of global capitalism. While Colin Powell is cautious and others are reckless and want to make up for their failure to defeat Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War 10 years ago, the global agenda is the same.
Israel knows it has a short shelf-life before it is overwhelmed by demographics. It is a state that was born in terrorism that terrorized Palestinians into the exile of refugee camps, where they have now subsisted in squalid refugee camps, and is now very much afraid of Pakistan's nuclear capability.
Israel has now handed the Bush family the opportunity it has been waiting for to consolidate America's imperial grip on the Gulf and acquire control of the Caspian basin by extending its military presence in Central Asia. Bush conveniently overlooks -- or is not told -- the fact that Islamic fundamentalists got their big boost in the modern age as CIA assets in the covert campaign I was also involved with to force the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Bush senior was vice president during that entire campaign. And no sooner did he become president on Jan. 20, 1989, than he summoned an inter-agency intelligence meeting and issued an order, among several others, to clip the wings of ISI (Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence) that had been coordinating the entire operation in Afghanistan. I know this firsthand as I was DGISI at the time (director general, ISI).
Q: So how do you read U.S. strategy in Pakistan?
A: The destabilization of Pakistan is part of the U.S. plan because it is a Muslim nuclear state. The U.S. wants to isolate Pakistan from China as part of its containment policy. President Nixon's book "The Real War" said China would be the superpower of the 21st Century. The U.S. is also creating hostility between Pakistan and Afghanistan, two Muslim states to reverse the perception that the Islamic world now has its own nuclear weapons. Bush 43 doesn't realize he is being manipulated by people who understand geopolitics. He is not leading but being led. All he can do is think in terms of the wanted-dead-or-alive culture, which is how Hollywood conditions the masses to think and act.
All summer long we heard about America's shrinking surplus and that the Pentagon would not have sufficient funds to modernize for the 21st century. And now, all of a sudden, the Pentagon can get what it wants without any Democratic Party opposition. How very convenient! Even your cherished civil liberties can now be abridged with impunity to protect the expansion of the hegemony of transnational capitalism. There is now a new excuse to crush anti-globalization protests.
Bush 43 follows Bush 41. Iraq was baited into the Kuwaiti trap when the U.S. told Saddam it was not interested in his inter-Arab squabbles. Two days later, he moved into Kuwait, which was an Iraqi province anyway before the British Empire decreed otherwise. Roosevelt baited the Pearl Harbor trap for the Japanese empire, which provided the pretext for entering World War II. And now the Israelis have given the U.S. the pretext for further expansion into an area that will be critical in the next 25 years - the Caspian basin.
Q: Were you a fundamentalist in the days of the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan when you worked closely with the CIA?
A: Not as much as I am today.
Q: What turned you against America?
A: Betrayals and broken promises and what was done to my army career.
Q: And what was that?
A: President Ishaq Khan, who succeeded Zia ul-Haq after his plane was blown out of the sky, wanted to appoint me chief of staff, the highest position in the Pakistani army. The U.S., which by then had clipped ISI's wings, also blocked my promotion by informing the president I was unacceptable. So I was moved to a corps commander position. As ISI director, I held the whole Mujahideen movement in the palm of my hands. We were all pro-American. But then America left us in the lurch and everything went to pieces, including Afghanistan.
The U.S. pushed for a broad-based Afghan government of seven factions and then waved goodbye. Even in the best of democracies, a broad-based coalition does not work. So we quickly had seven jokers in Kabul interested in only one thing - jockeying for power. The gunplay quickly followed, which led to the creation of Taliban, the students of the original Mujahideen, who decided to put an end to it.
Q: What happened to the 1,000 shoulder-fired Stinger anti-aircraft missiles that were supplied by president Reagan in 1986 and 87 to the Mujahideen, and that literally grounded the Soviet air force?
A: After the Soviets pulled out, the CIA allocated $60 million to try to buy them back. This just drove the black market price up for one Stinger from $100,000 to $300,000. The Taliban still have about 250 of them for the kind of situation they face today against U.S. aircraft.
Q: Is the U.S. now your enemy?
A: Is the U.S. national interest in contradiction with the Muslim world? The U.S. needs oil, as do its European allies. You have between 6 and 8 million American Muslims and their ranks are growing. About the same number in Europe. Israel aside, we are America's natural allies. Prof. Sam Huntington in his "Clash of Civilizations" puts Confucius and Judeo-Christians in one corner, and us in the other. His prescription is wrong but is being adopted by Bush 43 who has now put 60 countries on his hit list. This is the diabolical school that wants to launch an anti-Muslim "crusade." Muslims understood what Bush meant when he used that word.
We need a meeting, not a clash, of civilizations. We are on the brink of disaster. It is time to pull back from the brink and reassess before we blow ourselves up. The purpose of Islam is service to humanity. The time for like-minded people to have a meeting of the minds is now.
Q: But you are against democracy, so how can there be a meeting of the minds?
A: Democracy does not work. Politicians are constantly thinking of their next election, not the public good, which means, at best, constantly shading the truth to hide it from their constituents. Their pronouncements are laced with lies and the voters are lulled or gulled into believing utter nonsense. The Koran says call a spade a spade. It is the supreme law and tells right from wrong. There is no notion of "my country right or wrong" under divine law. The creator's will predominates. All if subservient to Allah's will and adherence to a set of basic, fundamental values.
Q: So what kind of a system are you advocating?
A: The world needs a post-modern state system. Right now, the nation-state and round the clock satellite TV lead people to imitate America's way of life. Which is mathematically impossible. You have 4 percent of the world's population consuming 32 percent of the world's resources. The creator through Prophet Mohammed said equal distribution. Capitalism is the negation of the creator's will. It leads to imperialism and unilateralism.
Q: So what does this post-modern state system look like?
A: A global village under divine order, or we will have global bloodshed until good triumphs over evil. Islam encapsulates all the principal religions and what was handed down 1,400 years ago was the normal evolutionary sequel to Judaism and Christianity. The prophet's last sermon was a universal document of human rights for everyone that surpasses everything that came since, including America's declaration of independence and the U.N. Charter of universal rights. If you superimpose true secular values on true Islamic values, there is no difference. So surely divine law should supersede man-made law. Islam is egalitarian, tolerant and progressive. It is the wave of the future.
Q: Marxism also believed that the nation-state would eventually wither away.
A: Socialism jumped the rails when it was co-opted by the imperialist Soviet state. Islam believes in dynamism, Christianity stands for static statism. The pope in all his pronouncements has expressed a dogmatic attachment to the status quo. Why are so many black Americans converting to Islam? Because they are looking for true equality which they cannot find under capitalism. Allah has no gender, neither male nor female. Islam has no indirect taxation in an interest-free economy. Usury was a Jewish concept.
Q: Is Iran your model?
A: There isn't a single true Islamic state in the world today. Iran has moved forward from its 1979 revolution, but I am not sure whether it's the right direction.
Q: And Taliban?
A: They represent Islam in its purest form so far. It's a clean sheet. And they were also moving in the right direction when this crisis was cooked up by the U.S. Until Sept. 11, they had perfect law and order with no formal police force, only traffic cops without sidearms. Now, in less than two weeks, they have mobilized some 300,000 volunteers to fight American and British invaders if they come.
Q: And your reaction to U.S. demands on Pakistan?
A: If Pakistan gives the U.S. base rights we will have a national upheaval. And if the U.S. attacks Afghanistan, there will be a call -- a fatwa -- for a general jihad. All borders will then disappear and it will be a no-holds-barred Islamic uprising against Israel and American imperialism. Pakistan will be engulfed in the firestorm. So I can only hope that cooler heads will prevail in Washington.
Q: What about the other U.S. demands?
A: Overflight rights are meaningless since the U.S. violates air space daily all over the world. As for intelligence sharing with ISI, you can't even catch your own terrorists. And what ISI gives you will be of marginal value anyway.
Q: President (Pervez) Musharraf has made strong statements supporting the U.S.
A: He was my student in the army. He is a good man, but he doesn't understand Islam. The army will never fight the masses. If push comes to shove, Musharraf will say no to the Americans rather than turn against the people. He is not just facing a handful of angry people. By his own admission, it's 10 percent to 15 percent of the population, or at least 10 million people willing to fight. For openers, they would close the port of Karachi. A country cannot breathe without lungs.
Q: Back to Osama's terrorist network. Who was behind the bombing of the U.S. Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya?
A: Mossad is strong in both countries. Remember the Israeli operation to free hostages in Entebbe (Uganda)? Both Kenya and Tanzania were part of the logistical tail. A so-called associate of Osama was framed at Karachi airport. The incidents took place on Aug. 8, 1999, and on the 10th a short, clean-shaven man disembarks at Karachi airport and presents the passport of a bearded man. Not your passport, he was told. He then tries to bribe the clerk with 200 rupees. A ludicrously small sum given the circumstances. The clerk says no and turns him in and he starts singing right away. Not plausible. Osama has sworn to me on the Koran it was not him and he is truthful to a fault. Pious Muslims do not kill innocent civilians who included many Muslim victims. The passport must have been switched while the man was asleep on the plane in what has all the earmarks of a Mossad operation. For 10 years, the Mujahideen fought the Soviets in Afghanistan and not a single Soviet embassy was touched anywhere in the world. So this could not have been Osama's followers. Q: What if bin Laden has been lying to you and is guilty. Is that inconceivable?
A: If Taliban are given irrefutable evidence of his guilt, I am in favor of a fair trial. In America, one is entitled to a jury of peers. But he has no American peers. The Taliban would not object, in the event of a prima face case, to an international Islamic court meeting in The Hague. They would in turn extradite Osama to the Netherlands.
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【MSNBC・ニューズウィークの記事】
http://www.msnbc.com/news/629231.asp?cp1=1
Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan's intelligence service: 'I tell you, it was a coup'
Prejudice In Pakistan
Why is Islamabad reluctant to pressure neighboring Afghanistan into turning over Osama bin Laden?
By Rod Nordland
NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
Sept. 14―― When I got Maj. Gen. Hamid Gul on the telephone at his home to ask if I could interview him, his reaction was guarded at first. “What’s your nationality?” he asked. “American,” I said. “Are you a Jew?” When I said I wasn’t, he agreed to the interview. “I’m sorry to ask you that,” he added. “It’s just that Jews wouldn’t understand what I have to say.”
INDEED THEY WOULDN’T, and nor would most people. General Gul’s basic message is that Osama bin Laden is innocent, and that the attacks on New York and Washington were an Israeli-engineered attempt at a coup against the government of the United States. He rattled off the proof: “You must look inside. F-16s don’t scramble in time, though they had 18 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Radar gets jammed. Transponders are turned off. A flight to Los Angeles turns to Washington and is in the air for 45 minutes, and the world’s most sophisticated air defense doesn’t go into action. I tell you, it was a coup [attempt], and I can’t say for sure who was behind it, but it’s the Israelis who are creating so much misery in the world. The Israelis don’t want to see any power in Washington unless it’s subservient to their interests, and President Bush has not been subservient.”
If General Gul were anyone else, it would be easy to dismiss him as a crackpot. But here in military-ruled Pakistan, he remains an influential figure, even in semiretirement. And as the former head of Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), its intelligence service, he had a key role in making Afghanistan what it is today. Gul is widely considered the architect of the Afghan jihad: the man who, with financial and logistical support from the CIA, engineered the fight of the mujahedin against the Soviet Union and its proxy government in Kabul in the 1980s. Now, he’s a big fan of the country’s ruling Taliban, even though they’re fighting his former mujahedin allies.
And he’s wondering why the CIA no longer comes calling to his comfortable home in an exclusive compound for top military brass in Rawalpindi. “Why don’t these people talk to me?” Perhaps because they don’t appreciate his view that all those Arabic names emerging as suspects are CIA inventions?
“Not your State Department, but the CIA and DOD [Department of Defense], he says. “They’re the ones who count. Why don’t they talk to me? They know me. They can trust me.”
Putting our trust in Pakistan will take, at best, a mighty leap of faith. The country claims to be a partner in the war against terrorism, and the current military ruler, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has made such lip service ritually and repeatedly. After Tuesday’s attacks, he condemned them as “brutal and horrible acts of terror” and called for the world to “unite to fight against terrorism in all its forms.” But the Pakistani government has so far made no effort to bring any real pressure to bear on the Taliban to turn over bin Laden, and it has encouraged and facilitated Islamic extremist groups in the disputed territory of Kashmir, as well.
It’s a truism that terrorists cannot function without the support of a state, and in the case of bin Laden he couldn’t function without the support of Afghanistan--and at least the tacit support of Pakistan as well. Afghanistan is not only land-locked, but surrounded by enemies--with the exception of Pakistan. Pakistan is the only way in or out of Afghanistan for bin Laden and his supporters, and if, as is widely believed, he is commanding and financing some 3,000 Arab soldiers in the 055 Arab Brigade, he needs a line of supply and that can only go through Pakistan. (Alternative routes, such as Iran and Tajikistan, are out of the question). Even air travel depends on crossing Pakistani air space, and there’s nothing to stop the Pakistanis from insisting on vetting the passenger rosters--something they have indeed done in the past.
Much is made of the fact that the Taliban has grown out of control and that Pakistan couldn’t even get it to release a wanted Islamic extremist they sought, Riaz Basra. But that raises the question: did Pakistan, with its military and especially its security services infiltrated by Islamic hard-liners, really want to bring that pressure to bear? Similarly, did Pakistan really want to stop the recent destruction of the giant Buddhist statues at Bamiyan?
General Gul made his views clear. Jihad, he said, is not just a matter of realpolitik, as it is to the West in Afghanistan, but a matter of religious conviction. And when Gul visited Afghanistan in August, at the invitation of the Taliban, he didn’t see the wrecked, impoverished, famine-stricken land that everyone else sees?but rather a place where women had regained Islamic inheritance rights once denied them, where Taliban police were disarming civilians, where roads were repaired, where the heroin crop had been wiped out and where peace was restored everywhere but in the north. Far from worrying, as so many do, about the Talilbanization of Pakistan, he says “the best way forward is for Pakistan to be more Islamic, which means more just, more tolerant, more honorable?those are Islam’s values.”
The old general thinks all this will blow over soon, and everyone will eventually forget about the hunt for bin Laden and the terrorists who hit Washington and New York. “They don’t really want to find who did it,” he says. And he’s also certain the Americans will not make the same mistake the Russians and the British before them made, and intervene in Afghanistan. “You can easily go inside Afghanistan,” he said, “but you will not come out easily. Afghans are Afghans. If they were not so obstinate, so crude, so uncouth, they would not have defeated two superpowers in 80 years’ time. Why does America want to put its hand in that same hole again?”
Presumably Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, who has been in a series of meetings with Gul’s successor, Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad, has been having a more realistic set of exchanges?though don’t bet on it. Mahmoud was on a visit to Washington at the time of the attack, and, like most other visitors, is still stuck there. “It isn’t what you say,” Armitage reportedly told him, “It’s what you do.” In the end, despite their inclinations and their raging prejudices, the Pakistanis may do what the United States wants. But they won’t be terribly happy about it.
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【インドのヒンドゥスタン・タイムズの批判的記事】
The Hindustan Times - [19/09/2001]
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/190901/detNAT05.asp
Wednesday, September 19, 2001
Desi conspiracy theory on the terror
Namita Bhandare
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Seen the devil pictures yet? As the Americans would say, you ain't seen nuthin' till you've seen the face of Satan in the smoke rising from the towers.
Nothing has dampened the enthusiasm of conspiracy theorists who believe that last week's 'terrorist' attacks are the work of the devil, Hallelujah. Repent, the end is near.
Closer home, there’s a more desi explanation of who did it. It has to do with the Hindu lunar calendar. That the attack took place during the shraad period is not as significant as the fact that this year we have an unaccounted 13th month.
Every year, the shraad period is followed by the navratas, the nine days leading up to Dusshera. This year, the navratas don't follow the shraads and the Hindu calendar has an extra month, adik maas.
Some of the conspiracy theories stem from a shortage of official answers. For instance, why did the plane in Pennsylvania crash without hitting any apparent target? Was it perhaps shot down? If so, by who?
Visuals of a 'flying mysterious object' were also apparently captured on video just moments after the second air crash in New York. The visuals, which can be seen on www.drudgereport.com, show an apparent flying object moving at a 90-degree angle to the second plane's flight path.
Then there's the famous number 11 theory. The attack took place on September 11, 245th day of the year (add 2, 4 and 5 and you get 11). After September 11 there are another 111 days in the year; the twin towers standing together looked like the figure 11 and so on. For the simple minded or the very bored, there's no telling when a coincidence can be found. But number 11's exact significance remains a mystery, perhaps another conspiracy theory for another day.
In an interview with Newsweek, Major General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan's intelligence service, had a conspiracy theory of his own. According to Gul, the attacks in the US were an Israeli-engineered attempt at a coup against the US. As proof, he cites the following: Why didn't US Airforce F-16s scramble in time, even though there was an 18-minute time lag between the first two hits on WTC. Why did radars get jammed and why were transponders turned off?
The answer, according to Gul, is because Israel see George W Bush as an American stooge, unlike his allegedly more pliant predecessor Bill Clinton.
In Delhi, vast swathes of the chattering classes have taken to eyeing George Bush with suspicion. His ratings were down and now post strike they're shooting up again, they say. A war with Afghanistan would be great for the US economy and particularly the arms industry, they say. The Gulf War too was engineered at the behest of Bush senior, now Bush junior is looking after the same armament manufacturer interests as his dad, they say.
Conspiracy theories blaming the FBI have found fertile ground in the US. Every major disaster, from Kennedy’s assassination to the mass murder of the Branch Davidian community in Waco, Texas, is followed by an FBI 'did if theory'.
We're not even getting into the one about George W Bush being the biological son of Jimmy Carter, both of whom (with Clinton and most of New York's citizens) are aliens from outer space. Or even theories like the Nepal royal massacre was engineered by the Dalai Lama because he was opposed to plans to open a Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise in Kathmandu. Or that Pope John Paul II is actually a robot operated by remote control from a caravan in Cornwall. And that his predecessors Pope John the 23rd, Pope Paul the fifth and Pope John Paul the first are alive and are in an old people's home in Bournemouth, UK. By the way, add up 23.5,and1, andyou've got a cracking new conspiracy.
As for Osama bin Laden. Who's he?
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