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「なぜうそをついた」 米国防長官、散々の講演（共同通信）
http://www.asyura2.com/0601/war80/msg/526.html
投稿者 シジミ 日時 2006 年 5 月 05 日 20:04:44
米国防長官：講演でやじや質問に防戦一方 イラク開戦 【毎日】
http://www.asyura2.com/0601/war80/msg/539.html
投稿者 どさんこ 日時 2006 年 5 月 06 日 10:39:54
ラムズフェルド国防長官が４日開かれたジョージア州アトランタでの講演会でイラク開戦をめぐって「嘘つき」と激しく批判されたことは、すでに知られていますが、この時なぜ質疑の際、マクガバンCIA元分析官が同長官の開戦前の発言をひいて質問し、激論したかが、５日付のロサンゼルス・タイムズ紙で報じられています。
同紙によると、マクガバン氏は長官が開戦前 「アルカイダとフセイン政権とのつながりを示す『動かしがたい証拠』がある」
(the Defense secretary had insisted before the Iraq invasion that there was "bulletproof evidence" linking Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda)
と語っていたことに対し、「ウソだったのか？それともどこかで捏造されたものか？ＣＩＡの同僚も異議を唱えたし、９・１１委員会も異議を唱えたぞ」
(Was that a lie, Mr. Rumsfeld, or was that manufactured somewhere else? Because all of my CIA colleagues disputed that and so did the 9/11 commission)
と激しく詰め寄った。
長官が「私はウソをついたことはないし、その時もつかなかった」
(I haven't lied; I did not lie then)
と大量破壊兵器について弁明に大わらわになったあと
マクガバン氏：
「あなたは大量破壊兵器がどこにあるか知っていると言ったぞ」
(You said you knew where they were)
ラムズフェルド長官：
「言っていない。私は疑わしい場所はどこか知っていると言ったんだ」
(I did not. I said I knew where suspected sites were)
マクガバン氏（当時の長官の声明を読み上げて）：
「あなたはイラク、ティクリートやバクダードの近くにあると言った」
(McGovern then read from statements the Defense secretary had made that weapons were located near Tikrit, Iraq, and Baghdad)
この時長官、しばらくは、しどろもどろ。指示されて警備員がマクガバン氏をマイクから離そうとしてやっと平静を取り戻した。
( which led Rumsfeld to briefly stammer. The Defense secretary recovered after admonishing a security guard who was trying to push McGovern away from the microphone)
マクガバン氏は激しい質問を浴びせたことについて
質疑に先立つ長官のスピ−チも、途中、再三の「嘘つき」のヤジで中断され、長官は「そういう批判は誤りで不当」と反論した。
マクガバン氏はそういうやり取りを聞いて質問する気になったと語っている。
(McGovern said his question was prompted by Rumsfeld's response to one of the three antiwar protesters who interrupted the Defense secretary's prepared address, accusing him of lying about prewar intelligence.)
なおロサンゼルス・タイムズ紙の記事全文は次のとおり。
http://www.latimes.com/services/site/premium/access-registered.intercept
Critics of the Iraq War Put Rumsfeld on the Defensive
Peter Spiegel
Los Angeles Times , Home Edition ed , p8 , Friday , May 5, 2006
WASHINGTON - When Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld goes on the road to deliver a speech, it's usually in front of a relatively respectful audience: U.S. troops stationed overseas, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation dinner have been among his appearances this year.
An audience in Atlanta on Thursday turned out to be a bit different.
Rumsfeld was interrupted three times by antiwar protesters during his speech, and during a question-and-answer session afterward he was forced to defend himself against charges by a former high-ranking CIA analyst that he intentionally lied to push the U.S. into war in Iraq.
Rumsfeld sought to make light of the flak during his address to the Southern Center for International Studies, a nonprofit educational group, telling the audience the protesters were just a few "close personal friends" of Peter White, the center's president.
Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran who once gave then-President George H.W. Bush his morning intelligence briefings, engaged in what became an extended debate with Rumsfeld after asking why the Defense secretary had insisted before the Iraq invasion that there was "bulletproof evidence" linking Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda.
"Was that a lie, Mr. Rumsfeld, or was that manufactured somewhere else? Because all of my CIA colleagues disputed that and so did the 9/11 commission," McGovern asked near the start of the 45-minute question-and-answer session. "Why did you lie to get us into a war that was not necessary?"
At the start of the exchange, Rumsfeld remained his usual unflappable self, insisting, "I haven't lied; I did not lie then," before launching into a vigorous defense of the administration's prewar assertions on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
But Rumsfeld became uncharacteristically tongue-tied when McGovern pressed him on claims that he knew where unconventional Iraqi weapons were located.
"You said you knew where they were," McGovern said.
"I did not. I said I knew where suspected sites were," Rumsfeld retorted.
McGovern then read from statements the Defense secretary had made that weapons were located near Tikrit, Iraq, and Baghdad, which led Rumsfeld to briefly stammer. The Defense secretary recovered after admonishing a security guard who was trying to push McGovern away from the microphone.
"It is easy for you to make a charge," Rumsfeld said, recovering his composure and insisting U.S. troops believed they would encounter chemical or biological weapons.
Rumsfeld went on to field a dozen other questions, including from a woman whose son was killed in Iraq and who asked about help for the children of slain service members. Rumsfeld asked her to submit her name to Southern Center officials. "And I'm so sorry about your son," Rumsfeld said.
In an interview after the speech, McGovern, 66, who lives in the Washington area, said he obtained a ticket for Thursday's address through an acquaintance who had forwarded him an e-mail invitation. The invitation directed him to a website that asked for detailed information about his background.
"I filled it all out and, lo and behold, there was a ticket in the mail," he said.
White, the center's president, said he had sent invitations to a wide range of civic and business groups, noting the Pentagon had put no restrictions on who should be included.
"This was not any polished group," White said. "That's how you get credibility."
Rumsfeld has a long association with the Southern Center, which holds regular gatherings of former Defense secretaries and secretaries of State, programs that are later broadcast on PBS. White said Rumsfeld had been a regular participant.
"I don't think it caused him any discomfort," White said of Thursday's disruptions. "He's unflappable."
McGovern said his question was prompted by Rumsfeld's response to one of the three antiwar protesters who interrupted the Defense secretary's prepared address, accusing him of lying about prewar intelligence.
"That charge is frequently leveled against the president for one reason or another, and it is so wrong, so unfair and so destructive of a free system where people need to trust each other and government," Rumsfeld said after the protester had been whisked out of the room.
The two other protesters stood up at various points in the speech and accused Rumsfeld of being a war criminal.
A fourth demonstrator stood silently in the middle of the room, his back to Rumsfeld, with a badge on his suit jacket reading "impeach." The man stood throughout the speech and walked out on his own just before the question-and-answer session began.
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