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SALAH AL MUKHTAR: THE IRAQI RESISTANCE IS GEARED TO KEEP ON
FIGHTING FOR A DECADE TO COME
Sanaa, July - For years he has been one of the most pugnacious
public voices in Iraq during the government of the Baath party. He had
worked at the Iraqi mission to the United Nations, then, in the years
1990-1991, at the Arab League as assistant to the Secretary General
holding responsibility for Information. In the years 1993-1998 he
headed the main Iraqi daily, al Gumhouriya. From 1999 he was Iraqi
Ambassador to India and in 2003 to Vietnam.
Salah al Mukhtar, 61, lives currently in Yemen, but underscores
that his stay is a "temporary" one, as he is convinced that one day he
will return to Iraq and that it will be to an Iraq governed again by
Baath. Arabmonitor obtained a thorough interview with al Mukhtar, one
of the top-ranking personalities among the Iraqi emigre community.
--Is the resistance in Iraq, which we are witnessing, was
prepared by former governement or it grew up during the occupation ?
--"The current resistance in Iraq, to be accurate, has not made
or prepared by Iraqi government, but by Baath party leadership. At the
beginning in the year 2002, the Baath party has completed the training
of about 6 million Iraqi citizens to fight urban warfare by the so
called Al Quds Army. President Saddam Hussein has managed all
preparation, including storing about 50 million of guns, big, medium
and small sizes with their necessary ammunition to fight against the
occupation for ten years. The groups prepared for a guerrilla warfare
has included, beside the Iraqi armed forces, organization called
Fedayeen of Saddam, Baath party fighters, as well as kaders of Baath
party. In the ligh t of what I have said, you can reach the conclusion
that the resistance was prepared mainly by the political leadership of
Iraq. Of course, it has used the government apparatus to facilitate
the preparation for a guerrilla warfare. After the occupation of Iraq
thousands of people have joined the armed resistance: some of them
joined Baath party organizations, some others formulated their own
organizations. For the time being, we have many different groups
fighting against American colonial occupation, and these organizations
have different ideological characters, including progressive forces,
religious groups, nationalists, but the main organization is the
Baathist one. As for the connection among these organizations, I can
say that there is a strong coordination and cooperation".
--If it was prepared, how to explain the proliferation of
islamist-religious groups ?
--"During a liberation warfare it's very important to mobilize
all forces to fight against the occupation. All historical experiences
have proven that all kind of ideologies and characters where
participated in the process of liberating homeland, for example in
Vietnam the Buddhist where active against the American occupation. As
for Iraq, we are confronting the most dangerous colonialism ever
witnessed in the history of the mankind, and because there are no
outside support, the circumstances have obliged all forces to be
united with each other, to guarantee the liberation of Iraq. The Is
lamist organizations are fighting side by side with progressive and
secular forces, which is very important and necessary to kick out the
imperialist occupation. Let me correct some misunderstanding. The
matter of martyr operations is not limited to Islamist organizations
but also the organizations under Baath party practicing in the martyr
operations. This kind of way of acting is the most effective weapon in
the hand of the Iraqi resistance: actually it is the Iraqi mass
destruction weapon capable of deterring and defeating the American
forces occupying the country. The Iraqi resistance has simple weapons,
while the other party has highly sophisticated weaponry, such as jet
fighters, tanks, missiles, modern technology. Therefore, to neutralize
that kind of superiority, the martyr operations are the only effective
weapon the resistance has. I would like to remind you that this kind
of operations have been used by the Vietnamese and Tamil tigers, as we
ll as by Palestinian organizations".
--How many Iraqis are active in the resistance ?
--"According to the intelligence of the government imposed on
Iraq by Americans, the number of fighters of the Iraqi resistance is
around 200 thousand as a main body, supported by another 200
thousands, but this number is not correct because about 3 million
Iraqis are constituting the so called in guerrilla warfare, the ocean
in which the fishs are swimming. You have to remember that the number
of supporters of Baath party is about 6 million people and if we
dropped half that number, still we have at least 3 millions supporting
the fighters. As for the number of the fighters it is not less than
400 thousand people, well trained militarily and ideologically for
more than a quarter of century. This number including the best
generals of the Iraqi army, spec ially of the Republican guards".
--It seems that the resistance has infiltrated the new Iraq
security, the new army, the new administration.
--"As I said at the beginning, the preparations for underground
fighting was finished two years before the occupation. According to
information released by both, American occupation sources and the
resistance, the Iraqi intelligence service has penetrated all levels
not only of the new Iraqi administration, imposed by the occupation,
but also the highest command of American army, because the Americans
are in desperate needs for translators, guides, workers, technicians,
speaking Arabic, and by this way the Iraqi intelligence has
infiltrated their ranks. The newly established security forces and the
so called( national guard’s) have become a very good sources on the
Iraqis cooperating with the Americans and the Americans. I can assure
you that the Iraqi intelligence has achieved very important operations
and as Mr. Paul Bremer, the American colonial administrator, has said,
the most painful operations the Iraqi resistance have made were not
the military one but the intelligence. You have to know that the
intelligence of the resistance is the original intelligence service of
Iraq, which was selected from the elite of intelligence officers to
join the resistance. So the experiences of Iraqi intelligence were
used perfectly against Americans and I assure you that the Iraqi
intelligence under the resistance leadership has overwhelmed the CIA".
--Do you believe in the existence of Abu Musab al Zarqawi,
acting in Iraq ?
--"There is no sure information about the fate of Zarqawi, some
of the information suggesting that he had been killed at the beginning
of Iraq’s occupation, but some other sources believe that he has been
arrested by Americans. Anyway whatever the correct story is, I tell
you that Zarqawi is a limited phenomenon and it is located in a
specific area and playing a limited role. The US intelligence used to
say that all operations are made by Zarqawi to show that those who
fight against Americans in Iraq are foreigners not Iraqis, to convince
American public opinion that the war against the so called( terrorism)
is justified. On the ot her hand, the US want to underestimate the
role of the Iraqi resistance in general and the Baath party in
particular".
--The talks between resistance and US-Iraqi forces could work,
if there is any talk ?
--"The only fact is that the US and the resistance have
exchanged some letters through some mediators, in which American side
has asked about what exactly the resistance wants. The resistance
replied by putting together some conditions to be implemented by
American occupation, as the only mean to provide American troops safe
withdrawal from Iraq. Among these conditions the full and
unconditional withdrawal of all US armed forces from Iraq, the
compensation for both the Iraqi state and Iraqi individuals for the
dam ages suffered, the necessity to establish an international fund to
rebuild Iraq as it was before the occupation. There was no agreement
between the two sides because the US looked for a negotiation with the
resistance without any precondition. The resistance has insisted on
meeting its conditions before starting any negotiation, which should
be concentrating on the complete wit hdrawal and the details of how to
implement the Iraqi demands".
--How the Arab-Islamic governements are reacting to Baghdad's
call to give support to fight resistance ?
--"The reaction of Arab and Islamic governments is characterized
by fear and hesitation, because they see how the American troops and
the others are humiliated. We have an Arab proverb saying that( if you
have nothing, you can give nothing). So the Arab governments, as well
the Islamic governments, are not prepared to fight in Iraq because if
the strongest empire is defeated and humiliated, how they can do what
America is failed to do. But even if we suppose that some governements
are preparing to send troops to Iraq, their fate will not be different
from the fate of American forces".
--Can be justified the abduction of Egypt's envoy to Iraq ?
--"Those who abducted the Egyptian ambassador believing that the
government of Egypt has played a negative role in Iraq by supporting
American occupation and giving the hand to the puppet government in
Baghdad. The best argument they are giving is the decision to upgrade
the diplomatic representation to Embassy rank. The Egyptian
government has rejected before the invasion of Iraq to upgrade
diplomatic representation to the level of ambassador. The question of
abductors is: why sending ambassador now? Also they are believing that
the Egyptian step is designed to encourage other nations to send
ambassadors to Iraq, which means Egypt wants to give legitimacy to the
government imposed by occupation. They reached the conclusion that to
stop the process of legitimizing the puppet government, they have to
do something unusual as a tool of deterrence. I think this is the
message of the assassins".
--Do you believe the Jaafari governement will be able to put on
trial the Iraqi leadership deposed by force ?
--"It depends on American decision, because the main and the
real player in Iraq is not the Jaafari government but the American
occupation. If the US government takes a decision Jaafari will obey
American orders, in spite the fact that the whole process is not legal
from the point of view of the international law. I do believe that the
issue of the trial is a tactic to press the Iraqi resistance not to
insist on its conditions and to stop its attacks, or at least reduce
the volume of attacks".
--How could work togheter Iraqi Shiite agenda, American
occupation agenda and Kurdish projects to create an independent entity
?
--"The main objective of the US in Iraq is to transform Iraq
from a strong, unified state into a week one. To do so it has to
encourage all kind of conflicts and disturbances, on the basis of sect
and ethnic affiliation. Therefore the United States is not interested
in harmonizing different agendas, in contrary it is working on an old
agenda, which is American-Israeli agenda, to divide Iraq into three
tiny entities. Now, it is necessary to keep all parties fightin g each
other just to pave the way to impose a full control over Iraq".
--Do you think that the Iraqi autorithy will be able to draft a
Constitution ?
--"Drafting a Constitution is very easy issue, but the more
difficult issue is how Jaafari can activate and impose that
Constitution in time when the resistance is the main power in Iraq".
--Who are the Sunni Muslims who joined the committee which has
to write the Constitution ?
--"They are a small number of citizens without weight or
effective role in Iraq. They are nobody in terms of the fighting in
Iraq. Sunni, Shiite, Kurd are the maid of the CIA, and it doesn’t
work in the longer range, because Iraq is one nation, one state, one
destiny, and no one can change this fact".
--Do you think is there any chance in the future for Baath party
to restart to work officially as Baath in Iraq ?
--"If you mean that Baath party will join the so called(
political process) under the occupation, I assure you that the party
will never join this process. But if you mean whether Baath party will
return to the power or not, I tell you that it will capture the power
again, because it has the upper hand in the battlefield: by watching
the development of the armed struggle and the Iraqi resistance, you
can make the conclusion that whoever is controlling the land in Iraq
will be the future government".
This interview was conducted by Italian news agency called :
arabmonitor.info
24 -7 -2005
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