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米兵イラク死者6千、負傷4万8千の具体的な計算あり。
（ペンタゴン発表は死者1,361、負傷者1万以上。これでも大変な数字である）
この独立系情報は、ペンタゴン発表を、「わが方の損害軽微」といったような、日本の敗戦時の大本営発表の嘘と同じに疑い、様々な情報を総合したものである。
US Iraq Casualties Projected At 6,000 Dead, 48,000 Wounded
http://iraq2005.blogspot.com/2005/01/casualty-figures.html
Iraq War
Saturday, January 15, 2005
Casualty Figures.
From the Pentagon as of January 14th 2005,figures have been released at some 1361 U.S personnel killed and just over 10,000 wounded from the Iraq war and occupation.
Is this a true reflection of the actual casualties or a manipulation of the figures ?
The Iraq war from its inception was domestically and internationally unpopular especially as it went specifically against the will of the United Nations regarding pre-emptive war on the grounds of so called WMDs.The first casualty of war is always the truth.The war itself was instigated by the Neoconservatives in the U.S and it is they who control the Pentagon and military administration,Mr Rumsfield and Mr Wolfowitz themselves have control of the information flow out of Iraq,that will be inclusive of casualty figures released by Centcom.Is it in their interest to manipulate casualty flows ? In my opinion, most definately,purely on the reasons that the higher the casualties the greater the resolve of Americas domestic population, starting to not only question the Iraq invasion but also the occupation and the reasons why America is still in Iraq,a hardening of public opinion against occupation and grounds to call the troops home.The greater the casualties the louder the voices will become to withdraw.This will in effect forclose on the PNAC doctrine of pre-emptive wars around the world,which is the Neocons dream.Much is at stake for them.The true casualty figures will only be known by those at the Pentagon and a few selected personnel.Gauging previous articles and statements made from various individulas and organisations since March 2003,casualty figures can be pieced together to give a truer reflection on what the real cost in servicemans lives are.
In November 2003 a Surgeon at the Ramstein medical base in Germany stated that it had received 9,500 casualties from Iraq needing surgery including over 3000 amputations.In the same month a chief administrator at Baghdad airport stated that it had shipped out around 22,000 injured servicemen and women.In April 2004 the Veterans association stated that it had received 26,633 disability claims from servicemen returning from Iraq.Two months later on the Mcglochlin political show aired by CNN,discussion was on a casualty figure centred around 27,000.That in its own confirms the other statistics given above.From various blogs and articles from surgeons,doctors and medical staff,it seems they were dealing with around 50 casualties a day,somewhere in the region of 1,500 a month.Now here is where i have to start speculating and peice the information together as Sherlock Holmes would do.Since April 2004 Najaf exploded in violence twice and the same can be said for Fallujah each incident taking approximately a month to contain.Both Najaf and Fallujah caused extensive resistance not only too those areas but extended out to other areas in Iraq,so that from that, there would be an increase in casualties,i would put it at double the average,around 3,000 each for these 4 months totaling 12,000 casualties.From April 2004 to today January 2005 is ten months,using the template average of 1,500 casualties per month is 15,000 and adding a further 1,500 casualties per month for those four explosive months in Najaf and Fallujah gives a further 6,000.Therefore that leaves a total of 21,000 casualties from April 2004 to date,add that to the Veterans association figures of 26,633 casualties pre April 2004 giving a total of 48,000 casualties.Using a rough guide of 1 soldier killed for every 8 wounded gives a figure of 6,000 killed.
In my opinion the true casualty figures of Iraq is around 6,000 servicemen killed and 48,000 wounded.Totaling 54,000.If my figures are accurate then the pentagon is only reporting,making public 20% of the casualties.Many people will state this can not be possible.They cannot hide that ammount.Vietnam was a good reflection initially 6,000 Kia were reported later that rose to 58,000 and later a further 40,000 were deemed missing in action.So if Vietnam is anything to judge,then most certainly casualty figures are manipulated for public consumption.
posted by Bluesky at 1:38 AM
11 Comments:
Missouri Mule said...
Hell yes, they lie. This Invented makes Nixon look like a rookie. Even Nixon couldn't get away with hiding the flaged covered coffin's as they were unloaded. Hope the Dry Drunk ends up wandering the hall's like Trickey Dick, blabbering to himself, with a copy of "My Pet Goat" in his greedy little hands.
9:28 AM
Missouri Mule said...
That's, "Invented Ruler," sorry, my hooves got tangled up in the key's. HeeHaw!
10:19 AM
Sin Innuendo said...
This is interesting stuff, and something I have also been following from a different angle. I have been tallying the figures given in the Iraqi Resistance Reports http://www.albasrah.net/moqawama/english/iraqi_resistance.htm and I'm coming up with an estimate of 20-25,000 KIA. Of course, the Iraqi Resistance can't actually go and count numbers so easily, and they also cannot know who in a US uniform is actually a US national, and who's fighting for a green card. It's a huge amount of work and effort (which I don't have the time to do at the rate of reporting), but I was desparately googling for any archives of Vietnam casualty reporting during the war. Do you have any?
1:47 PM
Michael Zimmer said...
This is interesting spculation, but I am not sure that your argument is tightly enough reasoned to convince me yet. I think it is an important topic. You might want to consider putting some bounds of confidence around the numbers.
Some blogged articles from the Iraqi underground press also give much higher reports of U.S. deaths. Somewhere on my site I have posted the links. They obviously have their own propagandastic reasons for distorting the truth. In war, the first casualty ...
You are certainly correct with regards to U.S. Neocon means, motivation and intent. But, did the under-reporting occur? My strong suspicion is yes, under-reporting is way more likely. Is the magnitude of under-reporting as big as you suspect? It would be nice if you could dig up more evidence. I will re-post this on my site anyway. It is worth considering. Maybe there is some anti-war leverage to be obtained here.
Regards,
Michael Zimmer
http://www.TheProgressiveMind.info
2:09 PM
Jack Dalton said...
Of course the Department of War and the Pentagon are grossly understating the numbers of dead and wounded in Iraq. Anyone paying even a little attention understands this. The numbers of the dead and wounded you have stated in you essay are numbers pretty close to what we at the POAC have come up with also. There is no doubt in my mind that the total is upwards of 50,000--55,000 thousand dead, wounded (either physically or mentally). It was not that long ago that the Pentgon disclosed they were understating the numbers of wounded by at least 17,000. Con, hustle and manipulate is the order of the day for those wing-nut chickenhawks.
We have all got to do a better job at keeping this before the rest of sleep-walking America and you have gone a long way with that with your analysis. Kudos to you from an old vet.
Jack Dalton
Co-Editor (and disabled Vietnam veteran)
http://oldamericancentury.org/index.htm
4:22 PM
Bluesky said...
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2:35 AM
Anonymous said...
Actually, as in the US Civil War, the true toll is NOT from combat itself but from environmental stresses and sending desk-sitting troops overseas. From what I have seen, the Pentagon has kept up fairly well with the number of dead ((both combat-related and not combat-related)) in theatre. It also can't hide those injured by hostile forces too badly to return to duty. or whose combat-related injuries were sufficient to need medical treatment in hospital before being returned to duty (the 10000 mentioned)). What the Pentagon is carefully NOT reporting are things such as the minor nicks and cuts that the medics patch up in the field and don't send to hospital, kids managing to roll their Humvee into the canals, warehouse forklift accidents in Kuwait, etc, if those involved survive the incidents. Then there are the 45-year-old reserve sergeants who somehow don't get killed by their heart attacks, the people coming down with parasites, etc. And there are many that simply go insane to match the insanity they see around them. Add all that up, and you might get towards the 40,000 "dead or dented" number.
5:14 AM
Anonymous said...
In the absence of any semblence of truth, the author's guesses are as good as anyone's. I sometimes watch the PBS Newshour which ends each broadcast with a silent display of the faces of US soldiers KIA in Iraq. PBS stresses that there is no chronological relationship and photos are broadcast when they become available (from family / relatives). There always seems to be too many for the stated casualty rate. It's a melancholy experience because the vast majority of them are younger than my own children (who I sometimes refer to in conversation with others as my "kids") and have died for less than nothing before their lives have even begun.
Cutting to the chase, PBS would know exactly how many faces it has broadcast since the beginning of the war. What we don't know is where PBS gets its info from. Do families contact PBS independently or does PBS work from a list provided by the Pentagon / DOD?
One way of finding out how many US soldiers have died in Iraq would be to sponsor a perpetual monument and invite families of the fallen to register the details of their lost loved one for inclusion and due recognition. If someone is doing it already it would be widely known. I suspect that any attempt by a private individual or organisation to compile such an accurate and open-ended list would be quickly stopped by officialdom on the grounds that it isn't "legitimate" or "authorized". Like the war itself.
11:41 AM
Anonymous said...
I've considered this possiblilty but I think you would have families of soldiers killed in Iraq but not declared KIA by the Pentagon speaking out as to why their deaths were hidden. Would someone please address this argument.
8:22 PM
Anonymous said...
The Voice of the White House is talking about 8000 dead. See it at this link: http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1314.htm
2:00 AM
Anonymous said...
The only way to confirm or refute Pentagon casualty reports would be through independently gathered counts. Estimates and specualtion will have no traction in the mainstream media.
A group might be organized to search newspaper archives across the nation for fatality reports - difficult, error prone, and time consuming. Or perhaps a web site could be setup for families to confirm they've lost someone, but this would have to be handled with great sensitivity and care in order to show respect and to avoid fake reports. Some confirmation process would be needed and many families might question the sincerity of the effort.
Just a couple of rough ideas, but with some thought and planning, it might be possible to get at solid numbers through independent means (these or others) and end the speculation one way or they other. A complete and accurate total would not be the goal, rather one would try to see if the Pentagon numbers are reasonable and in the ballpark. 1400 va. 1600 as opposed to 1400 vs. 8000
9:07 AM
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